![]() That is, on that edge that's where growth happens. I'm going to put, you know, put whatever you want to put there when you're willing to, to wrestle with the ideas that you're not comfortable with, that you're not familiar with. And go, okay, I'm going to read this author. I think growth happens when you're willing to step out of that. And so we get an echo chambers and we live in a world that we're surrounded by people who all confirm what we already confirm, who believe what we already believe. ![]() You know, confirmation bias is all about, I only want to hear the viewpoints of people who agree with me. I mean, this is so obvious, but we don't think about this. Can you tell us a little summary of how you got here?Ĭal Jernigan: Yeah, I would say this in, in every one of our lives, your, your guys' lives, whoever's listening to this, you know, you only, um, you only learn something when you go beyond what you already know. Um, you've had, uh, quite a personal journey, I think, with learning what it means to walk beyond your own lines.Īnd I think we all have lines that we've put in our lives, every one of us. Don't put, don't put a fence around your love and go that's as far as it's going to go. And people are looking for Christians that are real and people are looking for a church that's real. And I just think people are looking for people are looking for a Jesus And excusing our bad behavior as it was just that's that's reasonable. So we as a church need to quit letting ourselves off the hook so easily. To love that person would be difficult to love them would be, you know, make me incredibly, uh, uneasy.Īnd so I'm not going to do it so they never see it. Tragically what I think we've done is we've convinced people that this isn't for real, because we don't take it seriously. Then they would understand that this is for real. If you would love people the way I've loved you, if you would lay down your life for people, the way I've laid down my life for you. Um, and I believe we've got all of that simply because we've not done what Jesus said. That we've gotten a really bad reputation for being judgmental and condescending. I think the tragedy of the Christian Church in America, the church in America today is, um, we've gotten a really bad reputation for being hypocritical. That thing that he said would be that you actually love people. That would demonstrate that, um, you're, you're actually in my camp, you're in my entourage or one of my disciples and that. And know, Jesus just basically said, look, there's going to be a way that you can live Uh, and Jesus' you know was very, very clear in John 13:34 and 35, which, you know, one of the biographers of Jesus was the apostle John. What, what value is walking beyond the line to them?Ĭal Jernigan: Well, and again, when we say, we say beyond the lines, we're talking about loving beyond. Maybe they never heard about him, um, or know much about it. Maybe aren't following Christ, but what value is this podcast to them? Maybe they, they, they're not sure about Christ. And so many of us in our Christian walk, we just want to quit before we really put much into it. And the example of Jesus is to go to the extreme. So it's, it's, it's just a commitment to go that wherever I want to stop, I won't stop. You know, I'll, I'll commit until I'm uncomfortable. I'll love until I'm uncomfortable.Īll right. ![]() Uh, so I I'll, I'll, I'll obey until I'm uncomfortable. Beyond the lines is it's just a concept that says that obedience to Christ, um, is without limit it doesn't it doesn't have, uh, until I'm uncomfortable. And I'll get a little uncomfortable and get a little uneasy, but that's, as far as I'm going to go.Īnd then once I hit that, I feel like I've, I've done what I've committed to do. Um, so those of us who follow Christ, you know, basically say, yeah, we're, we'll go wherever you ask us to go, we'll do what you ask us to do.īut, um, unfortunately, so many of us, we put a limit on it and, uh, as long as it sounds reasonable, as long as this sounds doable, as long as it doesn't make me afraid, um, I'll go that far. What is beyond the lines? What lines are we talking about?Ĭal Jernigan: Okay. I'm excited to do this and I think this will be really good to kind of enhance what we're trying to do and help people to understand. Hey, um, first off it's great to be with you guys. He's an incredible leader and he has gained an incredible array of knowledge and wisdom when it comes to walking beyond the line. He is the lead pastor of Central Christian Church in Arizona. Jon Miller: So good to see you, Clayton.Īnd also we have Cal Jernigan on the podcast, man. Today I'm joined by my cohost Clayton Eddleman.Ĭlayton Eddleman: Hello, thank you. This is episode zero of the podcast, and we're going to make an introduction to what this podcast is all about.
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